I have the same exact complaints with the medical field. This was caused by all of our previous inflammation in the body, that oxaloacetate reduces significantly. I dont know if there is one for PEM (???). Hopefully, if this supplement has a real beneficial effect, increased interest in the product will eventually bring the price down. Dr. Steven Meress, MD, FACP, ABHM. Kaufman whos been in this business for quite a while now, and has tried every treatment under the sun called the results striking and surprising and durable as well. Each of these scales have been validated through studies. Treating Orthostatic Intolerance in ME/CFS Orthostatic intolerance (OI) is the inability to be vertical sitting in a chair, or standing without developing upleasant symptoms that improve when you lie down. This whole thing is highly unethical for that reason alone. As such, NADH cannot possibly serve as an adequate reservoir. . I think there are better ways to go on about correcting redox states etc, amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon";
Meanwhile Im tempted to just order a bottle from Jubilance and see how I feel after a couple of weeks. There are many variables that could be involved. He graduated from UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA / SAINT PAUL CAMPUS in 1990. No relapses! Its a short read: Find Dr. Kaufman's phone number, address, hospital affiliations and more. amzn_assoc_search_type = "search_widget";
so a months worth would be $1000. ME/CFS, fibromyalgia, and long COVID blogs here. We in the ME/CFS community need to educate ourselves on what constitutes a good scientific study of a supplement or drug, because in our desperation, we become vulnerable to hucksters, including those that wordsmith things like studied in Alzheimers, cancer, etc., etc., or patented. At least one of Mr. Cashs companies, Terra, pushing enol-oxaloacetate, have been warned previously for unsubstantiated claims, so are closely wordsmithing their product now as a medical food and trying to legitimize it, but still making suggestions that are, when we read them through our desire for any improvement, claims. Can you tell me in laymans terms, I cant absorb complicated info.! Does one capsule contain 250 mg or 500 mg of oxaloacetate? Both mention thermal stabilisation of the oxaloacetate. The description seems to suggest it will be used in tests. Judy began taking 2 pills/day (1000mg total) on March 16th. So it is 1000 mg of the active ingredient oxaloacetate and they are using specially formulated capsules that are not available on Amazon. Could supplements help? 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Woke me up like no amount of coffee did, etc. Thank you! not sure if its the same form? Dr. Tomas Kaufman - Montral, QC - Emergency Room Doctor Reviews & Ratings - RateMDs [3] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/jnc.13509. At 500 mg/ 2xs a day, the Chalder Fatigue Scale score dropped significantly within 2 weeks and then dropped a bit further. https://translational-medicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12967-022-03488-3. Anyone interested in going halves on a kilo? I take fludrocortisone and desmopressin for orthostatic hypotension & low ADH (anti-diuretic hormone). You basically cant get to the one without the other. On a scale 1 to 7, Im a 7. I hadnt read about the results until today (thank you for this, Cort!) Now I always check reviews on Amazon and while some may be fake, on balance, they give you a reasonable overview of the product. Plan on keeping with it. presented on this website. Gosh, sometimes I wish I could feel drowsy. After some bad experiences with continuing shipments/cancel at any time, Im not so sure about a cheap trial bottle. Benagene also has an Oxaloacetate CFS product where the capsules are 500mg of just OAA NO vitamin C at all. It takes greater minds than mine. We publish articles on ME/CFS, and maintain the largest ME/CFS community forum on the web, in order to both inform and empower patients. Dr. David Kaufman formerly of the Center for Complex Diseases in Mountainview California and now working at the Center for Healing Neurology in Seattle Washington presented an open trial of the energy metabolite oxaloacetate and reported it resulted in increased energy without any significant side effects. An estimated 25% of those suffering from ME are housebound or bedbound. If we get 5 people then that is 200g each for say $400 by the time it is shipped/divided and shipped again. According to ChEBI, oxaloacetate has the IUPAC name of 2-oxobutanedioate. Thats my big question, will it help mitochondria repair themselves enough for my muscles to get stronger. We are aware of Health Rising and familiar with Dr. Kaufmans involvement with the CFS community. Kaufman tracked the results in 52 patients. Just take biotin. Its not working as they know it to because the underlying physiology has changed (and they are unaware of this). Note how many Pubmed studies are published in part by Terra personnel. while it seems dose dependant, i wonder if there is a possibility that the higher dose somehow stayed in the bloodstream longer, so that trialing a sustained time release may mean the dose can be decreased. Looking at the bottle for CFS 500mg capsules and 45 in a bottle.. if the best effect was produced on 1000mg 3x a day.. to achieve that 3gram a day dose would i need to buy 4 bottles at $499 for a one month supply? Before I found a team of Neurologists, who recognized my symptoms immediately, I had been hospitalized three times for suicide attempts. this is way too expensive. I was surprised that there was so much difference between the scales which is why I checked them out. Very easy to talk to, actually listens to what his patients have to say. More ratings for Dr. Dalp-Charron More also appears to be better with this supplement: the response appears to increase with the dose. Have been taking 1500mg for 2 days and seem to be getting worseit may be to do with dosing or the progression of my illness (have ME and FM), so I cant attribute my deterioration to OXA. Great catch! He has over 35 years of experience in healthcare administration, management, and research. I should also add that it would seem that oral oxaloacetate at 200mg doesnt get into the blood. What will it take suckers, illegal drug use ?? As a summary of their research: oxaloacetate may in fact reduce neuroinflammation. How does one get into that study? Amount Per Serving He officially diagnosed me with ME as well as a form of dysautonomia known as Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS). They think it is all in your head. But did anyone notice their pain improve after taking the supplement? This includes a multitude of visits to traditional doctors as well as a plethora of supplements and natural health strategies. The cost is $499 for 90 capsules. If we mention that CFS patients might need to take it everyday, and that it may even be helpful to Long Covid patients, they might atleast give a thought? I found Dr. David Kaufman, a board certified internist specializing in ME. Dr. David Kaufman, MD, clearly watches the ME/CFS research literature closely, and when he saw that Arnaud Germains 32-person 2017 metabolomics study found a significant depletion of oxaloacetate, and was the main metabolite found to affect energy issues in ME/CFS, he acted. Ambien. Dr. Kauffman said during the Q & A that he uses Terra Biological which makes Benagene. He was patient, knowledgeable, and kind. I am very excited to share her recent experience! David Lyons Kaufman, MD, is an Internal Medicine physician at the Center for Complex Diseases and the former Medical Director of the Open Medicine Institute, Mountain View, California. UPMC West Mifflin 1907 Lebanon Church Rd. amzn_assoc_search_type = "search_widget";
Half took 500 mg 2xs a day and a half took 1,000 mg 2xs a day. An ME/CFS Researcher and an ME/CFS Clinic Go Gangbusters. amzn_assoc_bg_color = "FFFFFF"; The information found on Health Rising is mostly put together by people with ME/CFS and/or FM. This website uses cookies that do not collect personal information but that do help us collect anonymous information about how people use our website. amzn_assoc_width = 265;
This sounds like a great idea actually. apparently some foods have a little These men saved my life. USD$40 (with subscription) for 30 tablet bottle on the parent company website. Wired and tired is a much more common experience than drowsiness, for me. (or metabolomics to see) 4B Mountain View, CA 94040 Tel: (650) 447-3001 Website: Centerforcomplexdiseases.com You can tell easily by looking back at your blood work/labs if you have chronically low ALP its almost always a hallmark for this disorder. Bulletproof KetoPrime has 100mg of oxaloacetate along with C and B12. I understand it helps fatigue and feeling generally better. Hi Cort. Dr. David J. Kaufman is a Orthopedist in Lake Forest, IL. Which cookies and scripts are used and how they impact your visit is specified on the left. I am housebound with ME, bedbound during relapses. Hmm, ominous. The expense of the supplement would also make the use of controls that much more important because if positive results were obtained then telling people about them would drive many many people to buy the supplements. So it looks to me like they are different badges on the same product. https://www.ingredientmall.com/antiagings-c-4/oxalacetic-acid-oaa-oxalacetate-highest-purity-at-wholesale-price-1kgbag-p-2312.html, @John, Thank you !!! You can get a discount if you buy 12 bottles of 30: $499 ($42 each). is there anyway to know how long the oxaloacetate stays in the body, or how fast it is absorbed into the bloodstream? Good to hear Chris and thanks for the update. PEM can last for days or weeks. It would also seem [2,3] that oral oxaloacetate at 200mg doesnt get into the blood. Could you please clarify the typo on costs- hundreds or thousands per month? He was unclear on whether the dosage referred to the active ingredient of oxaloacetate or the entire capsule. In his talk Kaufman noted the lack of healthy controls and called for a larger placebo-controlled study to be done. Dr. Dalp-Charron, Chnville - Rating: 3. The claimed mechanism-of-action for OAA is that it drives the MDH enzyme reaction backwards, and this enhances levels of NAD+, 3. The Fatigue Severity and Promis fatigue scores dropped less by from about 5 to about 15%. any way we can find out what the wholesale pricing cost is? Calling the numbers very significant, Kaufman reported that 80% of patients reported an improvement not something he usually sees in any intervention for ME/CFS. Im at my wits end. He found that when I would sit up, my heart rate would rise to the 100's. When I would stand, my heart rate would further elevate into the 140's. At the lower dose of 500 mg twice daily, you would need to take 10 capsules daily (each capsule contains 100 mg of OAA) or 300 capsules (10 bottles) monthly. Post-exertional malaise should be the priority symptom to tap. Worth noting: Ive always had a difficult time reducing carbs. Brent, have you noticed any difference in your health since taking this supplement? Iam not sure where you are at but I am in a state with medical insurance is overwhelmed. Thanks Diane it looks like this company has offices worldwide. False hope esp when you spend so much of your precious savings on a drug like this, is quite damaging. would be great if somehow there was a large package pricing deal. Mostly housebound. I will consider a trial of increasing to 1,000 mg twice daily. in 2012, seeking something new, he moved to the San Francisco Bay area and began to focus on chronic fatigue syndrome and allied disorders at the Open Medicine Institute. Although the study did not track them, at 1,000 mg 3xs day, Kaufman stated fatigue improved even more and referred to a 55-year-old man whod had ME/CFS for 10 years and who received few gains at 500 mg/2xs a day but whose fatigue plummeted (from 60-20 on the Chalder scale) when he took 1,000 mg/3xs day. By the end of the appointment, he wrote me prescriptions for Propranolol (beta blocker) and Florinef (increases blood volume and replaces aldosterone). She still is weak but recovers faster and doesnt seem to stay down. A published researcher as well as physician, Dr. David Kaufman spent many years immersed in HIV/AIDS research and treatment. Thank you so much. I was surprised and intrigued. I thought I was good at searchingobviously not good enough It seems to me that either he is devoid of them entirely or his head is so far up his own ass that they just are not on his radar. The Jubilance brand actually has four reviews all for positive for PMS. Notify me via e-mail if anyone answers my comment. I cant function and no one will listen. Here some indication from basic research: amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon";
One good thing you would probably know within 2 weeks if its working. Does it prove P.T. Thanks for this interesting article, Cort. OAA studies are being pursued in Alzheimers, ALS, myasthenia gravis, cancer, ME/CFS and long COVID. 5. BeneGene sells its medical food version of OAA, which is what I was given for the study, online here: https://benagene.com/product/oxaloacetate-cfs-90-count-bottle. C in these capsules. Good luck , Hi Chris, tnx for sharing. I believe that my long experience with HIV and related viral diseases as well as general internal medicine gives me a valuable perspective on the approach to and management of chronic fatigue syndrome. Get the most in-depth information available on the latest ME/CFS and FM treatment and research findings by registering for Health Rising's free ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia blog here. amzn_assoc_default_search_key = "";
(Side note: coenzyme-A is involved in multiple steps, so might be significant). Sudden stabbing pain in the eye. To do a 2-week trial at this dose, you would need 9 bottles at a cost of $441. A clarification from Terra BiologicalOxaloacetate is still under study, and has not received approval from any Regulatory Agency for the treatment of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. This deficiency is what prompted Kaufman to try OAA but OAA is not a good candidate for this. is my math right? amzn_assoc_ad_type = "responsive_search_widget";
Thats about what this source (https://www.ebay.com/itm/264018331113?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=CAMPAIGNID&toolid=10029&customid=CUSTOMID&msclkid=8db5335d26ce11ec8b3b017aa4aff38d) on Ebay would cost if I figured it out right. Thank you for all you do. Contact: Alan B Cash (858-947-5722), acash@TerraBiological.com. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030. I am still confused.. He graduated from Stony Brook Univ Hsc Sch Med in 1982. The electrical charges of the cells, the way they organize themselves, what with the Ca++ stuck inside, the redox balance skewed, etc. amzn_assoc_ad_type = "responsive_search_widget";
[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4884771/ I have also been diagnosed with Polymialgia and Seronegative Rheumatoid Arthritis. Share Save. My dysautonomia medications so far provide the largest and most obvious benefit. The easy counterargument being that did the patients try all their other treatments within the format of a trial??? We have all been feeling o much better and less bloated. Do your research. She expressed that it was like there was a substance to her energy that normally was not there. The price for this formula currently is $49 per bottle. Its not heat stabilized, thus it wont be absorbed well enough to work. It seems that there really isnt much human research to go on as far as oxaloacetate is concerned. Needless to say, I agree with a lot of what youre saying. 250 mgs/tablet x4 = 1000 mgs x 3 = 12 tablets a day. Jubilance only mentions shipping within USA/Canada. I went through hell and back, before finally seeking out Dent Neurology. [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4884771/ It was published just under a month ago in June 2022. How do you know that? Im taking this and so far it seems helpful, I will keep posted. This site uses functional cookies and external scripts to improve your experience. The World Health Organization (WHO) classifies ME as a neurological disease. Kaufman said many are continuing to do their surveys 6 months later. Dr. Tomas Kaufman has a 5.0/5 rating from patients. However, they are sold out. He also practices at the Center for Healing Neurology[1][2], Center for Complex Diseases, California, United States. Kaufmans patients are lucky to have him as their doctor. Martin Shkreli did this very thing with low volume FDA-approved drugs for orphan diseases. oh my this makes me sad. The American ME and CFS Society is not responsible or liable for actions taken as a result of the information POST-VIRAL SYNDROME AND MYALGIC ENCEPHALOMYELITIS/CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME (ME/CFS): WHAT EVERY CLINICIAN NEEDS TO KNOW Presented b y: Dr. David Kaufman Provided by: The University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry and the Clinical Education Initiative (CEI), a New York State Department of Health AIDS Institute program The code doesnt work if you try to order just a single bottle-has to be the recurring shipments. amzn_assoc_width = 265;
I can see the difference in the last 30 yrs for sure and I look for it to get worse, unfortunately. The average age was 49, 77% were women, and the average duration of disease was 6.1 years. amzn_assoc_link_id = "YV25CNBNF26YD2J5";
I am currently participating in Dr. Kaufmans trial, so I can give a bit more information here. The only reason not to is to game the results and to make them look as good as possible to non-scientists. Dr. Kaufmans experience is that the Chalder scale most accurately represents what hes seeing. I dont know the mechanism of action of OAA but there are several any of which could conceivably be helping. Notably, candida albicans is virulent due to the ICL activity (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4004578/). Its expensive but works out cheaper than the Jubilance product. mast cell activation syndrome. However, Im guessing that with a potential benefit to Long Covid sufferers, this might be about to go gangbusters, if it hasnt already. Its notable that the only evidence Alan Cash shows for an effect of OAA on NAD+/NADH levels comes from isolated mitochondrial studies in the 1960s, where of course the cell membrane is not present. They have a Facebook page as well so u can call them with questions anytime. Even in the latest study using Dr. Kaufmans clients, Mr. Cash uses the word anecdotally to describe results in the abstract, to avoid making a claim. Visit RateMDs for Dr. Tomas Kaufman reviews, contact info, practice history, affiliated hospitals & more. I wish you all the best .Take care. I would definitely look at the 3 star and under reviews. Survey data is limited but suggest that the vast majority of people with chronic fatigue syndrome have orthostatic intolerance. A prescription is not required to purchase a medical food, but its use must be overseen by a doctor, who will help set dosages. In order to assess PEM, though, you need a validated instrument. Make an Appointment. In cells, NAD+ is normally present at about 700-fold greater levels than NADH. With his sudden departure, I was shuffled off to a Nurse Practitioner for a Psychiatrist. Very recently, I was informed that my pain medication will be cut off, if My Physciatist continued my benzodiazepine. It is true that oxaloacetate is present in the Krebs energy cycle. by Cort Johnson | Oct 6, 2021 | Alternative Health, Energy Enhancers, Energy Production, Homepage, Kaufman | 110 comments. Youd better find MSDS or SDS know more about the drug. Fascinating study. My ability to atrend any family event, or even do my own grocery shopping has been taken away. Related Websites: Center for Complex Diseases Attek, what are your dysautonomia medications that are providing you with the large and obvious benefit? Amazons Choice is Benagene and has 131 reviews that may be useful to Health Rising readers. Specializes in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Patient Satisfaction Leave a Review Read reviews 1 response Center for Complex Diseases 2500 Hospital Dr., Bldg. As such, it is negatively charged at physiologic pH. It has made a real positive difference in my health, and I hope it is made available to everyone at a reasonable cost. Increases in well-being are being reported as well, and side effects are rare (a rarity in ME/CFS). We never felt any fatigue ever since we went on the supplement, and we think thats so great. The question is how? NOTE: These settings will only apply to the browser and device you are currently using. Did you mean to say, in the article, that the top dose was 100mg/day? We can consider it citizen science. Health Risings fourth IACFS/ME conference overview is also its fifth in a series on possible mitochondrial enhancers in chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) and fibromyalgia. I will say it has helped me the most with my pain and I was up to 500mg morphine equivalents!! The tight, strangling feeling in my legs is gone for short walks. Note the mode of administration. It is the only alternative source that I can find that might sell to individuals. By contrast, 3 x 1000mg of oxaloacetate a day delivered by Jubilance would mean 4500mg of Vitamin C a day. So a great disappointment. I am not alone. BenaGene is saying that it ships outside of USA/Canada for a minimum order quantity of 2 bottles. May I ask how you found this company? Im wondering if anyone else who will try this is also doing Low Dose Abilify??? Hi Deborah, I to have been suffering for 27 years. They also let me stay on my benzo. https://benagene.com/product/oxaloacetate-cfs-90-count-bottle First, by using this redox reaction as a source of NAD+, the ultimate source is of course NADH. I suffer sleep issue to the exact. I go through Ideal options they have clinics everywhere and can do visits over the phone. amzn_assoc_link_id = "YV25CNBNF26YD2J5";
Within a week of restarting them, I had regained my functioning level. Please consult a clinician before embarking on any medical treatment, therapy, or program. Not a happy story there. I continue to be amazed by the information you present to us Cort. They should not have any involvement in a future trial if its to be credible. I restructured my finances so I could pay at least $500 a month for it, and its making a big difference! After emphasizing that his results were preliminary, and noting that no control groups were used, Kaufman called oxaloacetates effects extraordinary and highlighted its support of mitochondrial biosynthesis, reduction of inflammation, and enhancement of NAD and NAD+ in the Krebs cycle. Would sending an email to reputed brands like NOW Foods and Doctors Best requesting them to manufacture this supplement help? what kind of success are folks having at at what doses? With the recent conviction of the most highly respected Neurologist/Pain Management Physician, Patients who have followed every rule, are in desperatation. Oxaloacetate is a 4-carbon molecule, but can be named systematically in multiple ways. https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/GB/en/product/sigma/o4126?gclid=CjwKCAjwkvWKBhB4EiwA-GHjFvrnd1t1eCE2IFhE2Y1Y7VwM4cFCTiPmaIReAuqQ_uD3rabSA_AMaBoC8TkQAvD_BwE. Dirty trials like this just dont deserve the light of day. Lets hope this pans out as beneficial to ME/CFS patients in a double blind study and that the cost of this supplement comes down. Seems is the key word because I havent tried to quantify it, so really dont know. When we talk about mitochondrial or metabolic effects we often think: our cells now produced more energy and this is why fatigue subsides etc. This complex disease has challenged . Kelly, the patent application that Cash filed notes how they stabilize OAA. But lets assume for a moment that perhaps Mr. Cash found Dr. Kaufman in trying to develop niches to make a LOT of money off his supplement, then supplies free supplement to the investigator to appear to make the supplement appear legit. Why is Severe Chronic Pain, not being discussed? However, on the back of the bottle, it says the following: Serving Size: 2 capsules per day. (Improved memory would be a great thing, tbh. Money aside, oxaloacetate dose aside, 12 Jubilance tablets per day is 1800mg of Vitamin C per day. If we were to discount every possibility because its not validated by large, rigorous trials we would have a really small medical toolkit to work with. I would be interested in teaming up with you people for discounted pricing. But you could also think of OAA as a 3-carbon backbone with two substituents on the number 3 carbon, then it would be 3-carboxy-3-oxopropanoic acid, just as described in Jills post. Im much more interested in what Dr. Davis and Stanford are researching than some uber-overpriced dietary supplement that has no proof it is even penetrating cell walls. Essentially, non-esterified OAA at a low external concentration will not get into cells, and unfortunately thats where the MDH enzyme (required for the claimed mechanism-of-action) is located. amzn_assoc_placement = "";
I would love to be able to get out of the house and use my electric wheelchair again. A Medical Food is different than a nutritional supplement the term is defined in section 5(b) of the Orphan Drug Act (21 U.S.C. You also want to question studies controlled or strongly influenced by the vendor and their employees or consultants. After reading the article and all the helpful comments, unbeknownst to my mom, I felt motivated to purchase a bottle and try this treatment for her. Theyll pay anything! Of course Terra/MetVital can afford to give a lot of these pills away free! BenaGene also appears to have exactly the same constituent make up as Jubilance (by mass that is). 1 bottle of the 90 caps will get you through about 14 days of a trial for $500. Being scolded by Nurse Practitioners, who insist that I will stop breathing, if medications Ive taken correctly, for over twenty years is absolutely infuriating. Wired and tired, is a perfect description. 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