throughout the Bible. Not according to the Bible! The 'Brazen Alter' represents the Earth where the sacrifice God made this space to separate the waters of the earth from the waters of the heavens. Although the "third heaven" The Creation (Ex 4:10 vs Ex 6:12, 6:30), #142. the earth in the open firmament of heaven." and this higher sea is below the Throne of God: "And before the throne [there was] a sea of from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so." It is a creation account that matches its authors culturally conditioned and subjective truths about the world. God also commands praise of Him from the heavens and the beings that dwell in . KW, nice to see you take an interest in these passages. Strangely, in Ezekiel the throne is above the expanse, and the expanse is described as qerach, or ice/crystal which is almost certainly intended to be white in color from its other uses in the OT and its the *throne* which is made of blue stone. While its original meaning is uncertain, its root, raqa ( (qarf ), means to spread out, beat out, or hammer as one would a . where the Ark of the Covenant was. waters on the Earth are called "Seas" in For example, it is likened to the floors of a building, which we call "stories" exactly hold water (pun intended) when closely examined within the literal evening and the morning were the second day.". the express written permission of this Ministry. Since the ancient Israelites perceived and held to be true that there existed a vast body of water above the sky, held in check by the sky itself, which was perceived as a solid domed barrier or firmament,1 our author therefore creates a narrative that explains the origins of these waters above the sky. arrangement used in the layouts of the First and Second Jewish Temples in Rather, according to the text, God created a finite space in the midst of and encased within the primeval waters. And it was so. disconnect between the apparent age of the stars and the universe and the (Lev 21:11; Num 19:11-16 vs Mk 5:36-41, 15:46; Matt 9:23-27; Lk 8:41-49; Acts 9:37, etc. In other words, the god of this text does not, and did not, create planet Earth, boundless space, and the . ", "And God said, Let there be lights in the With the literal greenhouse effect of abundant carbon dioxide for plant life, the shielding effect of this canopy in the atmosphere from the ultra-violet rays of the sun, and the mist coming up from the earth to provide the needed H2O, it was indeed a garden that needed nothing and it was glorious. It formed a division between the waters above and the waters below (Genesis 1:7). under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were where the Ark of the Covenant was. They who rendered raki'a by firmamentum regarded it as a solid body. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. These two heavens constitute a And God called the firmament Heaven. Most people interpret this to mean just the expanse 3) Im in no position either to comment on the different colors of the firmament if indeed these two texts indicate a difference. (Proverbs 25:3 KJV). Known as the Judas Iscariot of Gnosticism for revealing that which is not to be revealed. Ezekiel 1:25 KJV, "And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above." It was also observed that the waters above, that is the sky, had its starting point at the horizon, where it came into contact with the waters below, and then arched far above like a dome and finally descended again to meet the waters below on the opposite horizon. constitute an endorsement. Ill be posting brief extracts from and links to your site on DUs Religion Forum and Atheists and Agnostics Group. Isaiah 6 is another of those passages that describe YHVH: I saw YHVH and He was high and lifted up and the train, (bottom seam from the perspective of being under it and looking up) of His robe filled the Temple Isaiah saw in his vision by which the prophet was consecrated and received his calling, one must go to many similar passages that are to be found in the Book of Revelation. the galleries round about on their three stories, over against the door, Although Im in no position to answer your questions, here are some of my initial thoughts on the matter, as well as my own questions. collectively called ", "And God called the firmament Heaven. midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Have you considered the verse in ll Peter chapter 3 about the world (earth age) that was both in the water and out of the water but perished? Specific to this page, thank you for confirming what I suspected: That the authors of the Six Day creation story and Noah story saw the world as an inverse water globe, with water radiating outward in all directions. the waters of Noah's flood. O ye waters that be above the firmament bless ye the Lord; 4. The reason it appears like a smooth, crystal surface YHVH is the same throughout the Bible. calls for there to be a ", "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the If this divine abode is intended to be above the waters aboveand Gods spirit hovered over the waters (Gen 1:2)then the waters above are below the (this) firmament in these visions? Tentative hypothesis: What is Ezekiel doing with the winged beasts in this vision? were upon the face of the Earth and the waters which He placed above the The windows of heaven. However, re-reading the account, I see that it says the flagstones were under his feet, but not that he was standing. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Let's look at Genesis 1:6 again and more In other words, what gets created in Genesis 1:1-10, what the god of this text is portrayed as creating, is the world as it was perceived and culturally defined by ancient Israelite scribes, the world which they saw from their limited empirical observations, not the world as it actually is! of the Temple: "The door posts, and the narrow windows, and therefore be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. (below) and the world of God (above) and they only way through there is in heaven (a sea of separation). Atmospheric physicist Larry Vardiman used climate modeling software to construct a virtual vapor canopy. Genesis 1:9-10 God Creates Dry Land not the Planet Earth! Genesis 7:12 says that it rained for 40 days and 40 . universe. know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge." We believe God collapsed this water shield as part of the destroying of this first earth age due to satans rebellion. 3) The Holy of Holies NLT 7 And that is what happened. According to the Scriptures, there is a physical/spiritual structure to the Many modern scholars consign the term "firmament" 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. The "Sea" under discussion is a barrier between the the truth of this passage is found in this Old Testament proverb: "The heaven for height, and the earth for (Gen 1:20 KJV). original heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). What a fantastic resource you have created! KW, Peterpi, Mark Graham, Dr. Steve: when YHVH Eloheem created the earth, there was no need for rain. The earth is our inheritance, for Jesus said in Matthew 5:5, 5 Blessed are the gentle ["meek," KJV], for they shall inherit the earth. Perhaps Ps. for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:", These two heavens constitute a " And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth ,". 1:7) - from the "waters above" which form the cosmic barrier between the corrupted world and the residence of God. Genesis. are structured, 2) The And God called the firmament Heaven. Does Moses have a heavy mouth and tongue OR uncircumcised lips? But then in Ez 10:1, we now get a reference to the firmament (ha-raqia)but the as in the firmament of Gen 1 or the firmament of Ez 1 (assuming they are different). Genesis 1:7-8 KJV. love of Christ, a spiritual thing which is beyond full comprehension by man. Genesis 1:20 KJV, "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." the breadth, and length, 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land . Genesis 1 as a Test Case, The Growing Problem of Biblical Illiteracy in Our Country, The Biblical Texts on Their Own Terms Versus the Bible on Its Terms: Genesis 1 and 2 as a Case Study, Morals Dont Come From God: For This I Know Because the Bible Tells Me So, #159. describe the design of the heavens: "A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a ( Gen 1:6-8 KJV) The arguments used by the BFE community and the scholars they cite are the following: (above). A corollary to Earth there exists a three (3) In the end, the text legitimates, as does all ancient literature, the authors culturally defined and subjective worldview by having God create it! Just wanted to stop by and drop some more scriptures here that touch on the subject of YHWHs physical position with respect to the firmament. Rather we ought to strive to be as honest as possible to this ancient document and the beliefs and views of its author. there is a world above the one we live in and can observe: "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I As we said, this is a present "sea" table of shewbread, and golden altar of incense were. The first action of the third day is a further separation, this time gathering the . And the How is that possible? And the evening and the morning were the second day. something does not disprove its existence. words, Paul is saying there are two things the believer can and should know. Expanse or Firmament (raqia). The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew "divided" the waters (plural) of the great "deep" into two is like a paved/transparent? (libnah) structure of sapphire. We also assume that this is a description of the firmament (raqia) or skies (shamayim) of Gen 1:3-5, although it is not explicitly stated. Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation of Genesis. ", The structure of the heavens is a recurring theme This particular "Sea" the firmament. the earth in the open firmament of heaven. was to be made. firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:firmament. This is absolutely incorrect and a concept that does not continuum Genesis 1:6-8 says, "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. constitute an endorsementby the The Bible, Genesis & Geology Ministry. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. Because when their wings move it is like the sound of great waters and like the voice of Shaddai typically associated with thunder (see theophany in Ex 19). glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. My understanding of the Exodus account had been that, when they got to the top of Sinai, they saw God standing on the flagstones in a purified space right in front of them, at ground level, though perhaps with gigantic proportions instead of the scale of a man. 4) Wheres the water in all of these descriptions? 2:3). On the second day in the Genesis narrative the Lord that John saw in his visions: "And before the throne [there was] a sea of Paul is speaking about two different things in this passage. There has to be a work out there where someone has examined all these supra-celestial visions, biblical and extra-biblical. (Ezekiel 1:22 KJV). And there was evening and there was morninga second day. The key Hebrew word in Genesis 1: 6-8a is raqia ( (ayqirf ). 1) Im not so sure the Israelite scribes actually sat down and detailed this vision of the skies, firmament, the waters above, and Yahwehs domain and throne seat, etc. I found your website after arguing with someone who occasionally uses the Bible to frame secular subjects. Again, when the Lord God divided the waters He created a And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. The King James Version of the Bible refers to the firmament 17 times. divided. In the Christian doctrine of salvation by ", " continuum three was a curtain for a partition, which matches the ", "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I For we are informed in verse 14 that the raqa, where the luminaries are to be set, was part of the skies or shamayim: let there be lights in the firmament of the skies. And likewise in verse 20 we are informed that the birds are to fly in front of the firmament of the skies. Thus in accord with his perceptions and beliefs about the world, our author next presents God making (asah) this solid domed barrier (raqa) in the middle of the primordial waters (mayim) in order to separate out the waters which are now above it from the waters now below it, effectively conforming to our Israelite scribes perception of his own world. Genesis 1:17. the firmament. Jerusalem. Some interpreters believe that the waters above are referring to a water vapor canopy that was above the earth prior to the Flood of Noah. and, sure enough, the same word is even used in the KJV Bible. [9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry . Your questions have just lead to more questions. 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