I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. Trains descending the ramp can access either the local or express track.[22]. [30] In 2015, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced his proposal for an extension of the 3 and 4 trains down Utica Avenue. Late nights a shuttle will run from Franklin Av to New Lots Av. When the booth and turnstile bank are closed, three HEET turnstiles and one exit-only turnstile provide access to/from the entrance. Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. Its smaller for the same reason an Olds Runabout is smaller than a Model T: the technological limitations of the day. Members hailed the decision to save the station, and were encouraged by the public response to the Adirondack operation, despite its ultimate bankruptcy. Touring: F train to East Broadway. They will be hardened to survive skyscrapers falling on them and to survive flooding from the next superstorm. Arent they doing Finnaly, the A/C Utica Av station is directly under Utica Av. 5 all times except late nights, 6. The 2004 artwork here is part of a series called Good Morning and Good Night. A new station would therefore have to be built below the existing 3/4 Utica Ave station before continuing south. This station is compliant with the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act. With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. This station's mezzanine and exterior can be seen in various points of 6ix9ines music video for the song "Kooda". You are correct that the larger option would require shutting down service which is one reason Im in favor of the smaller option. Double-deck single tracks. Everything else is a single or double story commercial or light industrial building, parking lot, and one school. This is the level of transit that buses provide for a fraction of the cost. I chose to believe that rerouting the B/D to Williamsburg opens up far more possibilities. 7. Im not opposed to interlining but given the unique layout of the Rogers Junction the only affordable option is to segregate the services. This would also take relief off of the (B)/(Q) trains to the west. The 8th Ave Subway was designed to replace the 9th Ave El, the 6th Ave and 2nd Ave Subways to replace elevateds running above their avenues. Emergency responders rushed to the A/C . Checking schedules for the A and C tells me that they max out at 17, leaving 9 slots for Utica St. service. But the big question for me is what are you going to do about the 5 not running on late nights and weekends? That gives you much more cacapity to work with than just the 10 tph you be stuck with via your plan (assuming you mean to have it be the Queens Blvd branch of 2nd Ave). Building an elevated line designed to integrate into the built landscape rather than dominate it, while not new, is novel and one that will need time for the public to come round to. Taking this one step further this also supposes that, as the Worth St Line was to serve a similar catchment area as the BMT Centre Street Line (J train) that the new subways through the Lower East Side would replace the Centre St Line, thus leaving it up for abandonment (if this seems too preposterous keep in mind that half of this line is already, for all intents and purposes, abandoned). The first instance I can find of a proposal for Utica comes from a NY Times article in 1913 where residents were debating the best route. The Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. As for the bus Im sure it will go back to being local but if the demand is there for SBS (especially thru Bed Stuy) theres nothing stopping it from remaining. I also think that building Utica would take some ridership away form Nostrand (those whom transfer via bus) so we should focus on Utica and then see what Nostrand looks like. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. It will extend easterly from Buffalo avenue and Eastern parkway via East 98th street and Livonia avenue to New Lots avenue. In my futureNYCSubway plans over the years Ive always included Utica Ave in one form or another but one of the reasons I drew my NYC Subway Track Map was so I could see what I was really dealing with so we know what is really possible. Even with CBTC you are limited to about 10-12 tph on each of the (now) three local services (it most definitely does not turn out 15tph on both local service now, closer to 15tph for both combined). Just an idea! 6. Eastern Py Utica Av. (Plans for a Utica Ave. subway in 1969 involved extending the IRT instead of the IND.) This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. But Utica predates 2nd Ave by at least a decade. something like that on pillars in refurbished station? The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). With these and the IRT provisions in place Utica Ave was always so tantalizingly close. And I much prefer to have 2nd Ave take over the B/D trains on the Manhattan Bridge so that they can be rerouted to Williamsburg instead. It is actually located between Schenectady and Utica Avenues and the two exits lead to the middle of the block, several feet from the actual cross street. But for Brooklyn, maybe 4? 31, is a three-track elevated line. [21], This underground station serves local and express trains in a two-level layout with two island platforms. The I-beams and other steel work along the track walls are painted in dark blue. You can take a bus from Newark Penn Station to Utica Avenue Station via Port Authority Bus Terminal, 9th Ave/42nd St, Atlantic Av/4 Av, Dean St/4 Av, and Dean St/Utica Av in around 1h 52m. As you point out, the area already has subway service. But the plan wound up being abandoned after the IND subway was built along Central Park West. More complicated than it needs to be. The subway itself would run straight down Utica Ave with potential stations at Empire Blvd, Linden Blvd-Church Ave and Clarendon Rd. And actually Flushing/Main might be up to 11th now depending on how much traffic SAS has pulled off of Lexington. MTA. Environmentalists wont sue over the clouds of dust raised. Kings Hy/Beverly Rd is 564 yards away, 7 min walk. Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. MTA Bus - B14/B17 - Eastern Pkwy & Utica Av. It has to go BWY7 which means local tracks in Brooklyn. My thinking is that the train has to slow down and then speed up for the stop in the station anyway. There seems to me to be two sections of this plan: the Worth St-South 4th-Stuyvesant Ave section and the Utica Ave section. Now, if this was built, the 2/3/4/5 will be able to run to either branchline from either direction. Lets get it built! Few problems. Past the fence, there was a tiled wall with a door. Hidden behind a tall chain-link fence and gate is a tunnel that's been virtually untouched since it was built in the 1980s. South of Kings Highway, due to the aforementioned geological issues, the line would have to be elevated. and Park Aves commuter train viaduct looks good all the time. Pseudo-viaducts. CBTC will raise it higher and the E trains route is already budgeted for that in both Manhattan and Queens. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. [7] The first section opened on January 9, 1908, extending the subway from Bowling Green to Borough Hall. Many transit activists I talk to refuse any plan which would take a single building but this is unrealistic in any city. Then you can continue trains on into Brooklyn. And reworking Lafayette/Atlantic and Montague is all extra card shuffling that wont help Utica Ave riders anymore when they could just take the IRT express AS IS and be done with it. Is it correct that Culver has connections in place for the 8th Ave line? Also, Utica Av(or Malcolm X Blvd because a BMT Line is past Fulton St)becomes smaller past Fulton St, so instead of one lane being ripped up, a whole street would be ripped up, causing the B46 to be detoured north of Fulton St. An elevated line would be a bad idea too, because north of Fulton St is just 2-story Pre-War homes, and the rooftops are around the same height as the tracks. You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. It was first constructed as the Eighth Avenue Line in Manhattan in 1932.. One of three rail networks that became part of the . South 4 St Passenger service: Never completed. Viaducts where possible. IRT Utica would run express by default and be a much quicker commute (not to mention better transfer options at Atlantic Ave.) As you stated CBTC will boost frequency a bit more but those are all other projects that need to be done first. IF you really wanted to have a branch off of Fulton then the construction would not be as simple as you suggest. Looking at Census data based on commuting patterns of riders coming from the two zip codes along Utica Ave the primary destination for most riders is downtown Brooklyn with Midtown West second. Another elevator from the south mall leads to fare control.[23]. But can a three way switch be built between Nostrand, President, and Franklin? Now we dont want that, do we? Have higher ceilings and most likely some sort of air cooling system for comfort. I also dont believe in using provisions for the sake of using provisions; S 4 St (the actual street parallel to Broadway) was never fully completed, so building a subway using that old path would be wildly expensive. . I do like the general arc of this post, although there is one bit I find a bit questionable; > Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. As per your proposal. Hughes and Brooklyn Officials to Join in a Formal Celebration of Event To-day", "Exercises In City Hall. The Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. Four side platforms. Extensions of the IRT subway east or south of the station have been proposed since the line's planning in the 1910s, which included terminating the line at Buffalo Avenue just east of the station, or extending the line down Utica Avenue towards Flatbush Avenue and Avenue U near Kings Plaza. The Queens Blvd Line was extended to Union Turnpike on December 30th, 1936, and to 169th St. - Jamaica on April 24th, 1937. . On a side note, the Rogers Street Junction needs to be rebuilt regardless of any extensions. By the early 1920s, its population had swelled to more than 10,000. Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? Alon Levy did a back-of-the-napkin estimate of how much a mostly elevated line would cost and found it a better cost per rider than even 2nd Ave. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. They must be pillar free for security. Meaning that in order for a IND to run down Utica Av, Utica Av would have to be destroyed and rebuilt around the same area of the 3/4 station. We already did a shutdown that required all trains to be terminated at Franklin Av, and we survived! I disagree that people can just simply take a bus, but extending the Nostrand Av line south is needed. Maybe Im reading too much into the zip code graphs but they both indicate that the majority of jobs in midtown Manhattan are in the center and western parts, not to the east. Additionally, the Fulton-Utica service would have to be local only with an awkward transfer at Utica Ave station. I think I can solve that problem and still have a train servicing East NY&Brownsville, Mill Basin, and Flatbush/East Flatbush. For a first phase, I could see going only as far as Clarendon Road and the following trackage. This would provide more flexibility, even though all the lines that would be connected have transfers to each other at Fulton Street in Manhattan. Better to have SAS Williamsburg via the 9th St storage tracks and SAS Fulton local as the obvious trunk line that needs new capacity. Nice ideas so far! The victim was found. Theres nothing stopping that since it runs at a lower frequency. The other spur would have led up Myrtle Ave. where the line would split again. Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in BedfordStuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. We dont need to tear down the EL. [22] This is the easternmost underground and four-track subway station on the Eastern Parkway Line; to the east (railroad south) of here, the local tracks rises and become the IRT New Lots Line, while the express tracks end at bumper blocks just under Ralph Avenue. While cost is an obvious reason for building an elevated over a subway there are also geological concerns in this area as the land through which Utica Ave runs has a very high water table and very sandy soil. The 5 train doesnt run in Brooklyn on late nights and weekends. There was a gas station, a gift shop, and Valentine's diner in the post. [24] It consists of ceramic tiles of the sun and moon on the platform walls. Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. It's a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. Youve presented an excellent case for ruling out Williamsburg. 10. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. Thank you. On the other hand, your SAS plans involve building at least two complicated junctions to active tracks (including one under the East River) and lots of reliability-tanking interlining. Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. Eastern Parkway & Utica Avenue. are refurbished as well as adopted in new construction. Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. This leads me to propose that the first part of the plan to be built is the Utica Ave stretch from Eastern Parkway to Kings Plaza connecting to the IRT Eastern Parkway Line but with provisions for a future extension north (all tunnels would be built to the larger B division specs). Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? The Utica Avenue extension in particular has been proposed several times as part of the New York City Transit Authority's 1968 expansion proposals, in older pre-unification plans, and in the competing pre-unification expansion plans of the Independent Subway System (IND). Outside fare control, there is a token booth and two street stairs, each going to either western corners of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street. Also (while a 4 track yard is good for Relay past Brooklyn College.) It will cost less. [2] The Reid Avenue El station, which was originally named Utica Avenue and was formerly above the current subway station, closed on May 31, 1940.[5]. These look less industrial than plain [12], There are four stair entrances, all on Fulton Street:[13]. Adding another train to Queens Blvd is a problem. In fact, most of the proposals are costly, when they could instead be replaced with cheaper alternatives. Its an extremely clever plan that I and many other would have never of came up with but there are some wholes that are worth being built up. There are also some windows in this level. However, if such a public-private partnership could be established and developers enlisted to build the stations then a couple more could be added. 3 trains dont go to Brooklyn late nights. I would love to see a post about a light rail system , Not very sure about the constraints of light rail (besides politicians lol) C, the yard that would be built over the bus depot would be able to host more trains (btw can it be named Marine Park Yards or Mill Basin Yards) seeing that it is smaller. In addition, a two-track branch line along Nostrand Avenue branching off east of the Franklin Avenue station was to be constructed. This staircase leads up to a small mezzanine where there is a token booth and turnstiles. But thats not necessarily for the bad. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. 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